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swinny
9/10/2012 6:49:21 AM | Hi all
I already told this a wile ago, but I started with a database of all the fallen men of the 401st.
It is going to be a lot of work, but the first 60 names / story's are ready.
I made a new layout of the index page and you can search now by alphabet a - z.
I would really appreciate if you all could take a look and let me know if it works and how you "like" it.
The new layout can be find here : http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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 My adoption graves http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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EDanaII
9/10/2012 7:32:59 AM | Good job as always, Andy. 🙂 Keep up the good work.
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win-win
9/16/2012 3:04:46 PM | Hello Swinny,
Just looked through some of your Database entries.
It's really a wonderful and successful tribute to those fallen - Thank you so much.
I had no idea it could be possible to assemble such great detail you present - remarkable.
Best wished for continued success with it - a monumental effort.
Win
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swinny
9/16/2012 3:48:12 PM | Thank you Win and Ed of course.
Its a lot of work but it is so rewarding..
The contacts I made wile looking for all the info is so great.
the entries in my guest book.... no words..
Every day i try to finish one name, but every day new info is coming in
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My adoption graves http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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swinny
9/21/2012 6:56:24 AM | Just a question regarding my data base.
I have all the MACR's concerning the 94 planes that crashed.
On each MACR you can see who was KIA - MIA - POW etc.
After investigating all the MACR's I came to the conclusion that around 300 men unfortunately died...
These are the names I am working on at my data base.
But.... looking at the numbers on the 401st website I see this : Total battle casualties (KIA, MIA, wounded): 1,078
Is there any evidence that my number is correct, what I mean is, am I not forgetting others ?
Looking at what I have this would be the number : 305 KIA, that would mean that 773 men would have been wounded ?
Am I correct ?
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My adoption graves http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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donaldbyers
9/21/2012 4:48:02 PM | I guess I can ask what are you counting MIA's as.
Don
Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.
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swinny
9/21/2012 4:50:07 PM | I have exactly 309 men listed as KIA and MIA together...
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My adoption graves http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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donaldbyers
9/22/2012 12:28:26 PM | First you said 305 and now you said 309 KIA/MIA, just a typo I know but I would say your numbers seem correct but I don't know about exact or not due to wartime records. The area I would be concerned about would be the MIA's as sometime they return later and if the records aren't corrected the you have an anomaly in the count. I do have a document called "Causality Report" it's in paper format. I will go hunt it up and see what it says.
Don
Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.
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swinny
9/22/2012 12:44:47 PM | Yes my mistake Don, it is 309.
Well I am really sure these men are all killed during the war, because I have pictures of gravestones of all of them.
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My adoption graves http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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donaldbyers
9/22/2012 1:03:34 PM | This is what the Document by Vick Maslen indicates:
94 B-17's in Combat
40 B-17's in Various types of accidents and Mishaps
2 B-17's in Training in US.
21 Personnel Killed in training in the US.
349 Combat, Crashes & Ground Accidents
60 MIA's
500 POW's
56 Interned
52 Evaded
His comment " At this time I have found it impossible to arrive at the number of 401st ers wounded in action as it appears that the records no longer exist that he knows of"
This document is 79 pages... I will try and get it to you...
Don
Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.
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swinny
9/22/2012 1:07:06 PM | Thank you Don, that would be absolutely great.
60 mia , Thats correct, but I dont see a number of KIA.
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My adoption graves http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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Paul Bellamy
9/23/2012 7:18:42 AM | The Group Medical Statistical Summary covering the period of 401st combat operations gives the following numbers:
KIA: 37 (This figure presumably is those KIAs where the aircraft returned to base)
MIA: 895 (This figure will therefore include non-returning KIAs, POWs, internees etc.)
WIA: 136
IIA: 287
Paul Bellamy
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swinny
9/23/2012 9:44:09 AM | thank you Paul
KIA 37, so you mean that the plane came safely home, but these men were killed during the flight ?
If so, I do not have these names, because there is no MACR of that plane...
Am I correct ?
So my next question will be, were can I find the names of those men...?
O , and could you explain IIA for me ?
Andy
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My adoption graves http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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Paul Bellamy
9/23/2012 9:57:10 AM | The list would have been compiled from information known at Deenethorpe, so the KIAs on it would indeed be those killed in flight but whose plane returned to base.
They should be named in the various squadron records, I'll have a look later.
I'm guessing IIA is Injured In Action, not as serious as Wounded In Action.
All the best,
Paul
Paul Bellamy
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swinny
9/23/2012 9:59:48 AM | Thanks Paul
i really hope you can find the names, or help me out.
These men also deserve a place on my website.
Andy
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My adoption graves http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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donaldbyers
9/23/2012 11:06:21 AM | It's in here 349 Combat, Crashes & Ground Accidents
It's just not broken out into categories.....
Don
Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.
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donaldbyers
9/23/2012 11:14:27 AM | They should be named in the various squadron records, I'll have a look later.
These Squadron Histories are also online and you can access them from the front page or from the menu...
Don
Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.
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swinny
9/24/2012 4:43:13 AM | Ok thank you Don
just read the history of the 612th and found out that 10 extra men died, during their mission.
613th, only 3 men died ( thank god )
Also read a piece about this , can you tell me more about this accident :
Lt. w.D. Sellers and his crew, the 7th crew to join the 612th Squadron,
transfered to PFF aircraft on 20th March 1944. They were returning to
Deenethorpe on 24th March ~o lead the mission when something went wrong
during take-off. The aircraft sliced through the Chemical Company Barracks
at Chelveston killing eight of the occupants then crashed into
a bungalow in the village of Yeldon killing two children. All the crew
plus their Crew Chief were killed.
And after reading for 8 hours and saving data to words, my pc just turned off....
All the info I collected is gone....
Oke starting over again with the 612th ....
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My adoption graves http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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Paul Bellamy
9/24/2012 11:36:05 AM | "swinny":
...can you tell me more about this accident:
The bulk of the sad tale is here:
http://forum.armyairforces.com/Yelden-Y ... 25999.aspx
Paul Bellamy
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swinny
9/26/2012 2:22:14 AM | Thank you Paul
the crew of 1st Lt W.D. Sellers were transferred to the 305th.
But what does that mean, are they 401st or 305th ?
the casualty report stated that they are 401st but on their grave stones it says 305 th ?
I am confused
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My adoption graves http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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Paul Bellamy
9/26/2012 2:46:48 AM | Sellers and his crew were officially transferred from the 401st to the 305th on the 20th March 1944.
I note the Officers were given a seven-day leave prior to this, from the 5th March 1944.
All the best,
Paul
Paul Bellamy
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swinny
9/26/2012 2:50:04 AM | Thanks, I was not sure writing a story about the men, but for being formally 401st members, they should be a part of my 40st database, I think
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My adoption graves http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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swinny
9/26/2012 3:28:39 AM | Does anyone know what RCM means ?
I am looking at the 20 apr 1944 crash 42-31593, and there are 11 crew members, the all had their job like pilot, gunner etc, but one is a RMC ?
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My adoption graves http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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Paul Bellamy
9/26/2012 3:31:32 AM | RCM = Radio CounterMeasures; i.e. flak gunlaying radar jamming, etc.
See HERE for the dedicated thread.
All the best,
Paul
Paul Bellamy
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swinny
9/26/2012 3:38:43 AM | Oke so there was a 11th men on board to operate the RCM ?
His name was Alton A Schaffner but he was from the 751st Army Air Force Bomb Squadron ??
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My adoption graves http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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Paul Bellamy
9/26/2012 3:42:28 AM | The 751st were part of the 457BG at nearby Glatton, and were also one of the three groups in the 94th Combat Bomb Wing along with the 401st.
It's not unfeasable that he was on a short-term transfer, perhaps due to a shortage of trained RCM operators at the time.
Paul Bellamy
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Paul Bellamy
9/26/2012 3:50:29 AM | Something apperars to have gone a bit strange there Andy.
I have Sgt. Alton A Schaffner listed as KIA 20th April 1944, while flying as Left Waist Gunner on 42-97137 "Silver Queen" of the 457th Bomb Group following a direct flak burst in the radio room.
LINK
Paul Bellamy
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swinny
9/26/2012 3:57:37 AM | Oke .... strange
I have the casualty reports of the 401st here and he is listed ...
But this is not the first mistake I found in the casualty report, so...
Mystery ?
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My adoption graves http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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swinny
9/26/2012 8:43:50 AM | Paul, if I may
Just found a memorial shield of the crash of 24 march 1944 at yelden.
On the left side there are 11 names, that should be the crew and the ground crew chief.
My question, there are 3 strange names ( for me) on the plaque, Joseph N.A. grugnale, Charles W. leake and Myer Silber one should be the ground crew chief, but 2 are not from the original 401st crew.
According to the 401st casualty list I miss L.S. Russell and A. Shapiro's name ?
Do you have any idea ?
edit.
Just found out that there is no Russell and shapiro, I cant find them anywhere, they dont exist... ?
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My adoption graves http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm
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