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| '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>9/10/2012 6:49:21 AM 
| Hi all<br/> <br/> I already told this a wile ago, but I started with a database of all the fallen men of the 401st.<br/> It is going to be a lot of work, but the first 60 names / story's are ready.<br/> I made a new layout of the index page and you can search now by alphabet a - z.<br/> I would really appreciate if you all could take a look and let me know if it works and how you "like" it.<br/> <br/> The new layout can be find here : [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm] <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' />      My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> 
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| '''EDanaII''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/EDanaII.jpg' /></div><br/>9/10/2012 7:32:59 AM 
| Good job as always, Andy. &#x1f642; Keep up the good work. <br/><br/><a href='/p2769.ashx'><img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/wmSig401st150p.gif' /></a><br/> <br/> 
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| '''win-win''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/NoAvatar.gif' /></div><br/>9/16/2012 3:04:46 PM 
| Hello Swinny,<br/> <br/> Just looked through some of your Database entries.  <br/> <br/> It's really a wonderful and successful tribute to those fallen - Thank you so much.<br/> <br/> I had no idea it could be possible to assemble such great detail you present - remarkable.<br/> <br/> Best wished for continued success with it - a monumental effort.<br/> <br/> Win <br/><br/><br/> 
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| '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>9/16/2012 3:48:12 PM 
| Thank you Win and Ed of course.<br/> <br/> Its a lot of work but it is so rewarding..<br/> The contacts I made wile looking for all the info is so great.<br/> the entries in my guest book.... no words..<br/> <br/> Every day i try to finish one name, but every day new info is coming in <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' />      My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> 
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| '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>9/21/2012 6:56:24 AM 
| Just a question regarding my data base.<br/> I have all the MACR's concerning the 94 planes that crashed.<br/> On each MACR you can see who was KIA - MIA - POW etc.<br/> After investigating all the MACR's I came to the conclusion that around 300 men unfortunately died...<br/> These are the names I am working on at my data base.<br/> <br/> But.... looking at the numbers on the 401st website I see this : Total battle casualties (KIA, MIA, wounded): 1,078<br/> Is there any evidence that my number is correct, what I mean is, am I not forgetting others ?<br/> Looking at what I have this would be the number : 305 KIA, that would mean that 773 men would have been wounded ?<br/> Am I correct ? <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' />      My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> 
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| '''donaldbyers''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/donaldbyers.jpg' /></div><br/>9/21/2012 4:48:02 PM 
| I guess I can ask what are you counting MIA's as.  <br/> <br/> Don <br/><br/>Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.<br/> 
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| '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>9/21/2012 4:50:07 PM 
| I have exactly 309 men listed as KIA and MIA together... <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' />      My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> 
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| '''donaldbyers''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/donaldbyers.jpg' /></div><br/>9/22/2012 12:28:26 PM 
| First you said 305 and now you said 309 KIA/MIA, just a typo I know but I would say your numbers seem correct but I don't know about exact or not due to wartime records.  The area I would be concerned about would be the MIA's as sometime they return later and if the records aren't corrected the you have an anomaly in the count.  I do have a document called "Causality Report" it's in paper format.  I will go hunt it up and see what it says.<br/> <br/> Don <br/><br/>Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.<br/> 
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| '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>9/22/2012 12:44:47 PM 
| Yes my mistake Don, it is 309.<br/> Well I am really sure these men are all killed during the war, because I have pictures of gravestones of all of them. <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' />      My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> 
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| '''donaldbyers''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/donaldbyers.jpg' /></div><br/>9/22/2012 1:03:34 PM 
| This is what the Document by Vick Maslen indicates:<br/> <br/> 94 B-17's in Combat<br/> 40 B-17's in Various types of accidents and Mishaps <br/> 2   B-17's in Training in US.<br/> 21 Personnel Killed in training in the US.<br/> 349 Combat, Crashes & Ground Accidents<br/> 60   MIA's<br/> 500 POW's<br/> 56  Interned<br/> 52  Evaded<br/> <br/> His comment " At this time I have found it impossible to arrive at the number of 401st ers wounded in action as it appears that the records no longer exist that he knows of" <br/> <br/> This document is 79 pages...  I will try and get it to you...<br/> <br/> Don <br/><br/>Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.<br/> 
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| '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>9/22/2012 1:07:06 PM 
| Thank you Don, that would be absolutely great.<br/>  60 mia , Thats correct, but I dont see a number of KIA. <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' />      My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> 
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| '''Paul Bellamy''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/Paul Bellamy.jpg' /></div><br/>9/23/2012 7:18:42 AM 
| The Group Medical Statistical Summary covering the period of 401st combat operations gives the following numbers:<br/> <br/> KIA: 37 (This figure presumably is those KIAs where the aircraft returned to base)<br/> MIA: 895 (This figure will therefore include non-returning KIAs, POWs, internees etc.)<br/> WIA: 136<br/> IIA: 287 <br/><br/>Paul Bellamy<br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/resource1.png' /><br/> 
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| '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>9/23/2012 9:44:09 AM 
| thank you Paul<br/> <br/> KIA 37, so you mean that the plane came safely home, but these men were killed during the flight ?<br/> If so, I do not have these names, because there is no MACR of that plane...<br/> Am I correct ?<br/> <br/> So my next question will be, were can I find the names of those men...?<br/> <br/> O , and could you explain IIA for me ?<br/> Andy <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' />      My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> 
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| '''Paul Bellamy''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/Paul Bellamy.jpg' /></div><br/>9/23/2012 9:57:10 AM 
| The list would have been compiled from information known at Deenethorpe, so the KIAs on it would indeed be those killed in flight but whose plane returned to base.<br/> They should be named in the various squadron records, I'll have a look later.<br/> <br/> I'm guessing IIA is Injured In Action, not as serious as Wounded In Action.<br/> <br/> All the best,<br/> Paul <br/><br/>Paul Bellamy<br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/resource1.png' /><br/> 
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| '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>9/23/2012 9:59:48 AM 
| Thanks Paul<br/> <br/> i really hope you can find the names, or help me out.<br/> These men also deserve a place on my website.<br/> <br/> Andy <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' />      My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> 
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| '''donaldbyers''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/donaldbyers.jpg' /></div><br/>9/23/2012 11:06:21 AM 
| <blockquote>It's in here 349 Combat, Crashes & Ground Accidents</blockquote><br/> <br/> It's just not broken out into categories.....<br/> <br/> Don <br/><br/>Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.<br/> 
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| '''donaldbyers''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/donaldbyers.jpg' /></div><br/>9/23/2012 11:14:27 AM 
| <blockquote>They should be named in the various squadron records, I'll have a look later.<br/> </blockquote><br/> <br/> These Squadron Histories are also online and you can access them from the front page or from the menu...<br/> <br/> Don <br/><br/>Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.<br/> 
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| '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>9/24/2012 4:43:13 AM 
| Ok thank you Don<br/> <br/> just read the history of the 612th and found out that 10 extra men died, during their mission.<br/> 613th, only 3 men died ( thank god )<br/> <br/> <br/> Also read a piece about this , can you tell me more about this accident :<br/> <br/> <b>Lt. w.D. Sellers and his crew, the 7th crew to join the 612th Squadron,<br/> transfered to PFF aircraft on 20th March 1944. They were returning to<br/> Deenethorpe on 24th March ~o lead the mission when something went wrong<br/> during take-off. The aircraft sliced through the Chemical Company Barracks<br/> at Chelveston killing eight of the occupants then crashed into<br/> a bungalow in the village of Yeldon killing two children. All the crew<br/> plus their Crew Chief were killed. </b><br/> <br/> And after reading for 8 hours and saving data to words, my pc just turned off....<br/> All the info I collected is gone....<br/> Oke starting over again with the 612th .... <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' />      My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> 
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| '''Paul Bellamy''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/Paul Bellamy.jpg' /></div><br/>9/24/2012 11:36:05 AM 
| <blockquote><span class='author'>"swinny":</span><br/>...can you tell me more about this accident:</blockquote><br/> <br/> The bulk of the sad tale is here:<br/> [http://forum.armyairforces.com/Yelden-Yielden-B17-crash-March-1944-m125999.aspx|http://forum.armyairforces.com/Yelden-Y ... 25999.aspx] <br/><br/>Paul Bellamy<br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/resource1.png' /><br/> 
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| '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>9/26/2012 2:22:14 AM 
| Thank you Paul<br/> <br/> the crew of 1st Lt W.D. Sellers were transferred to the 305th.<br/> But what does that mean, are they 401st or 305th ?<br/> the casualty report stated that they are 401st but on their grave stones it says 305 th ?<br/> I am confused <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' />      My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> 
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| '''Paul Bellamy''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/Paul Bellamy.jpg' /></div><br/>9/26/2012 2:46:48 AM 
| Sellers and his crew were officially transferred from the 401st to the 305th on the 20th March 1944.<br/> I note the Officers were given a seven-day leave prior to this, from the 5th March 1944.<br/> <br/> All the best,<br/> Paul <br/><br/>Paul Bellamy<br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/resource1.png' /><br/> 
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| '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>9/26/2012 2:50:04 AM 
| Thanks, I was not sure writing a story about the men, but for being formally 401st members, they should be a part of my 40st database, I think <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' />      My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> 
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| '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>9/26/2012 3:28:39 AM 
| Does anyone know what RCM means ?<br/> I am looking at the 20 apr 1944 crash 42-31593, and there are 11 crew members, the all had their job like pilot, gunner etc, but one is a RMC ? <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' />      My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> 
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| '''Paul Bellamy''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/Paul Bellamy.jpg' /></div><br/>9/26/2012 3:31:32 AM 
| RCM = Radio CounterMeasures; i.e. flak gunlaying radar jamming, etc.<br/> <br/> See [T0599|HERE] for the dedicated thread.<br/> <br/> All the best,<br/> Paul <br/><br/>Paul Bellamy<br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/resource1.png' /><br/> 
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| '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>9/26/2012 3:38:43 AM 
| Oke so there was a 11th men on board to operate the RCM ?<br/> His name was Alton A Schaffner but he was from the 751st Army Air Force Bomb Squadron ?? <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' />      My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> 
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| '''Paul Bellamy''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/Paul Bellamy.jpg' /></div><br/>9/26/2012 3:42:28 AM 
| The 751st were part of the 457BG at nearby Glatton, and were also one of the three groups in the 94th Combat Bomb Wing along with the 401st.<br/> It's not unfeasable that he was on a short-term transfer, perhaps due to a shortage of trained RCM operators at the time. <br/><br/>Paul Bellamy<br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/resource1.png' /><br/> 
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| '''Paul Bellamy''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/Paul Bellamy.jpg' /></div><br/>9/26/2012 3:50:29 AM 
| Something apperars to have gone a bit strange there Andy.<br/> <br/> I have Sgt. Alton A Schaffner listed as KIA 20th April 1944, while flying as Left Waist Gunner on 42-97137 "Silver Queen" of the 457th Bomb Group following a direct flak burst in the radio room.<br/> <br/> [http://457thbombgroup.org/Fate/RLF041.HTML|LINK] <br/><br/>Paul Bellamy<br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/resource1.png' /><br/> 
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| '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>9/26/2012 3:57:37 AM 
| Oke .... strange<br/> I have the casualty reports of the 401st here and he is listed ...<br/> But this is not the first mistake I found in the casualty report, so...<br/> Mystery ? <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' />      My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> 
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| '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>9/26/2012 8:43:50 AM 
| Paul, if I may<br/> <br/> Just found a memorial shield of the crash of 24 march 1944 at yelden.<br/> On the left side there are 11 names, that should be the crew and the ground crew chief.<br/> My question, there are 3 strange names ( for me) on the plaque, Joseph N.A. grugnale, Charles W. leake and Myer Silber one should be the ground crew chief, but 2 are not from the original 401st crew.<br/> <br/> According to the 401st casualty list I miss L.S. Russell and A. Shapiro's name ?<br/>  Do you have any idea ?<br/> <br/> edit.<br/> Just found out that there is no Russell and shapiro, I cant find them anywhere, they dont exist... ? <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' />      My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> 
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