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EDanaII
9/10/2007 11:53:07 AM | In researching some more information concerning my father's B17, I came across this rather interesting story. I'm sure many here may already know the story, but I thought I'd share it anyway:
AN ACT OF CHIVALRY IN WORLD WAR
On December 20, 1943, the 379th Bomb Group (H) of the Eighth Bomber Command (U.S. Eighth Air Force) attacked Bremen, Germany. During that attack, Lt. Charles Brown from Weston, West Virginia, flying B-17F number 42-3167, witnessed an extraordinary act of chivalry by Franz Stiegler, the pilot of a Bf-109, who had taken off to attack him.
As Brown guided his B-17, Ye Olde Pub, toward the target, an aircraft factory, it was buffeted by flak. "Suddenly," he later recounted, "the nose of the B-17 was mangled by flak. Then three of the four engines were damaged. The entire left stabilizer and left elevator were gone, ninety percent of the rudder was gone, and part of the top of the vertical stabilizer was gone. I quickly pulled out of formation so we wouldn't damage our other planes if we exploded. It didn't take long for the Germans to pounce on us. Eight fighters came at us from the front and seven more from the rear and we were in no condition to fight them off. I headed straight at one of them. I had given up. I really didn't think we would get through this one. I had the plane in a tightening circle when I blacked out. Our oxygen system had been shot up."
Brown's plane then plunged from 25,000 feet to 200 feet at which point he regained consciousness. Incredibly, Ye Olde Pub was flying straight and level directly over a German airfield. At that moment, Oberleutenant (1Lt) Franz Stiegler, who had been on the ground reloading his guns, spotted Brown's mortally wounded aircraft. He leaped into his Bf-109 and took off in pursuit. Eager to score a kill, Stiegler closed in from the rear to within ten feet of the B-17.
As Stiegler described the encounter, "The B-17 was like a sieve. There was blood everywhere. I could see the crew trying to help their wounded. The tail gunner was slumped over his gun, his blood streaming down its barrel. Through the gaping hole in the fuselage, I could see crewmen working frantically to save a comrade whose leg was blown off. I thought to myself, 'How can I shoot something like that? It would be like shooting a man in a parachute.' When I was flying in North Africa, my commander said, 'You are a fighter pilot. If I ever hear of you shooting someone in a parachute, I'll shoot you myself.'"
Stiegler then flew wingtip-to-wingtip with the crippled bomber, close enough for the two enemies to see each other clearly. The German pilot escorted the struggling B-17 to the North Sea. Then, to Brown's amazement, he saluted, put his plane into a crisp roll and flew away, allowing Brown to make it back to a British airfield.
On board the B-17 were Brown and nine other crewmen, four of whom were wounded and one was dead. Brown had a bullet in his right shoulder but it was not discovered until 40 years later. Stiegler, who was shot down 17 times, is one of only 1,200 of Germany's 30,000 fighter pilots to survive the war. During the war, he shot down 28 aircraft. Originally from Regensburg, Bavaria, he now lives in Canada.
Years later, while attending a meeting of the American Pilots Association, Brown was asked if anything interesting had happened to him in the war. He replied, "I think I was saluted by a German Luftwaffe pilot one time."
Brown had not thought about this for years, but subsequently began to search for the German pilot. With the assistance of Lt Gen Adolf Galland he made an inquiry via the German Fighter Pilots Association and Stiegler responded. The two men eventually met in Seattle. On December 20, before encountering Brown, Stiegler had already shot down two B-17s. For a third, he would have been awarded the Knights Cross. Had the German Military discovered that he had let Brown's aircraft escape, he would have been court-martialed and shot.
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donaldbyers
9/11/2007 8:22:23 AM | There are a lot of stories out their like this one. It just goes to show you what war can bring out in a person.
Thanks for posting this one Ed......
Don Byers
Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.
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EDanaII
10/1/2007 9:45:45 AM | I find this one particularly remarkable. Stigler was well within his rights to take that B-17 out. Good thing his ethics were stronger. War is ugly. It reassures one's belief in the "goodness of man" to read stories like this.
Ed.
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China Clipper
4/8/2008 10:36:18 PM | this story was verified on the Urband Legends website, http://www.snopes.com but the level of detail is not really known. It did really happen tho...
Pretty good to know in the midst of the war, some did not always go for the kill.
I am lucky to be near the Lone Star Flight Museum in Galveston and a local airport where they now fly their B17 and B17 for rides...
SOme days I can pause, while cutting the grass, and watch and listen as a B17 goes by...
I took a ride in B17 Liberty Bell in 2006 out of Hooks Airport, KDWH, and took my dad's wings up with me. ( and the Boeing "G" disc from his control stick 😎 ) they let me sit behind the pilot on takeoff... 2 words, HOOOOOLY COW!
John Parr
son of Capt Clinton Parr
615th, aircraft commander
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EDanaII
4/10/2008 7:31:09 PM | Hey, you got something in common with Donald Byers now, John. He just recently took a ride on the LB himself. He's been rubbin' my nose in it ever since. 😉
Welcome to the forum, BTW.
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donaldbyers
4/12/2008 8:16:43 AM | "EDanaII":
Hey, you got something in common with Donald Byers now, John. He just recently took a ride on the LB himself. He's been rubbin' my nose in it ever since. 😉
Welcome to the forum, BTW.
Well close it was Nine O Nine and had a great time!!!!!
Don
Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.
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EDanaII
2/6/2010 11:52:37 AM | OK, I just found out that Stiegler and Brown both died in 2008, within months of each other.
(Salutes!) May you never be forgotten!
Ed.
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