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| '''Copper_Country''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/NoAvatar.gif' /></div><br/>9/20/2012 4:03:47 PM 
| We where able to pick a copy of "401st Bomb Group: The Best Damn Outfit In The USAAF" for what we felt was a reasonable $125 including shipping. We are checking the mail everyday with anticipation.<br/> <br/> But even better, after a previous attempt to request a records from the National Archives failed due to "records destroyed by the fire". We launched a second attempt and this Monday, we received about 60 pages including all DD-124/separation papers, Enlistment records, statement of service, and some officer and airmen military records. Its' a lot of good information that we didn't have which we are now sifting through and processing. I do have a few questions..<br/> <br/> First Question<br/> It looks like the DD-214's has all the medals he received. I think I got all the abbreviations figured out, if someone could verify a couple, I'd appreciate it.<br/> <br/> AD MDL = American Defense Medal<br/> SAEMR = Small Arms Expert Marksman Ribbon<br/> <br/> Second question,<br/> His Airman Military Record has the following entry - (Dec 44-Apr 45 First Pilot B-17) (April 18, 1945  to May 7, 1945 POW) (May 45 to Dec 45 Hospitalized). He was a POW (this is also verified by the "Record Group 389: Records of the Office of the Provost Marshal General - Records of World War II Prisoners of War" files online at the NARA) Now, family history has that he was hospitalized for a blood disease he picked up while being a POW (which falls in line with the report, hospitalization dates after POW dates). We are now trying to obtain his medical files. According to my Mom, her Dad was upset that he was never awarded the Purple Heart. We are now trying to obtain his medical files (we now have dates, but don't have hospital location, both which I think are required for medical records from the NARA), now if medical records show that being a POW was a factor in the illness, he can be award the Purple Heart posthumously along with the POW medal, is this correct or not? <br/> <br/> Additional comment-We have tried several attempts to request records from the NARA, for my grandfather and my husband's grandfather's army service, the first attempt for both came back as failures with the "fire of 73" as the reason. On the second attempt, we attached a letter requesting a reconstructed file if the records where lost in the fire. In my husband's case - we recieved a letter telling us we could pay $20 for muster roll calls. In my Grandfather's case we received additional forms with more questions for additional information, which we filled out to the best of our ability, and after a few months, we received the information at no cost. So I guess, my advise for people trying to obtain records from the National Archive would be to try several attempts for records if your first attempt fails. Based on our experiences, I think some degree of success is a factor of how far the Archive Tech who handles the request will invest. I am thankful for the work of the Archive Tech that handled our request and that they were able to find some information. I think that dealing with the Archives can be frustrating at times (its' a big government entity), but I think that there are people within the Archive that do a lot of good work and are a big help veterans and their families. <br/><br/><br/> 
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| '''donaldbyers''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/donaldbyers.jpg' /></div><br/>9/20/2012 4:20:08 PM 
| Purple Hearts are given for act's of being wounded or caused in direct action of war time.  Case in point my uncle's parachute didn't open when he was KIA but he was awarded the PH.<br/> <br/> You have the medals correct..<br/> <br/> You are also right about the NARA they will give the excuse of the Fire as a standard answer when they look at the dates you are requesting the information from.<br/> <br/> Don <br/><br/>Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.<br/> 
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| '''win-win''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/NoAvatar.gif' /></div><br/>9/20/2012 5:36:26 PM 
| Copper:<br/> <br/> Conrats on your successful information hunt - a great example for us all...to persevere!<br/> <br/> Were you dealing with the NPRC in St, Louis (part of the NARA) or the NARA in College Park, MD?<br/> <br/> Win <br/><br/><br/> 
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| '''Copper_Country''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/NoAvatar.gif' /></div><br/>9/20/2012 8:19:29 PM 
| We were dealing with NPRC in St, Louis.<br/> <br/> I believe the family story is that he got hepatitis from the food he was given by the Germans keeping him as a POW. I guess this more than likely impossible to prove at this point in time, unless we could find a medical record, specifically stating that fact. But if could be proven, this was an action directly caused by enemy agents during a time of war and would it not qualify for a PH or am I off in my reasoning? <br/><br/><br/> 
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| '''donaldbyers''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/donaldbyers.jpg' /></div><br/>9/21/2012 4:37:40 PM 
| <blockquote>2–8. Purple Heart<br/> a. The Purple Heart was established by General George Washington at Newburgh, New York, on 7 August 1782,<br/> during the Revolutionary War. It was reestablished by the President of the United States per War Department General<br/> Orders 3, 1932 and is currently awarded pursuant to Executive Order 11016, 25 April 1962; Executive Order 12464, 23<br/> February 1984; Public Law 98-525, 19 October 1984 amended by Public Law 100–48, 1 June 19871; Public Law 103-<br/> 160, 30 November 1993; Public Law 104-106, 10 February 1996; and Public Law 105-85, 18 November 1997.<br/> AR 600–8–22 • 11 December 2006 19<br/> b. The Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United States and per 10 USC 1131, effective 19<br/> May 1998, is limited to members of the Armed Forces of the United States who, while serving under component<br/> authority in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or killed, or who<br/> has died or may hereafter die after being wounded—<br/> (1) In any action against an enemy of the United States.<br/> (2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which the Armed Forces of the United States<br/> are or have been engaged.<br/> (3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in<br/> which the United States is not a belligerent party.<br/> (4) As the result of an act of any such enemy of opposing Armed Forces.<br/> (5) As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force.<br/> (6) After 28 March 1973, as the result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign<br/> nation friendly to the United States, recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of Army, or jointly by the<br/> Secretaries of the separate armed services concerned if persons from more than one service are wounded in the attack.<br/> (7) After 28 March 1973, as the result of military operations while serving outside the territory of the United States<br/> as part of a peacekeeping force.<br/> (8) Members killed or wounded in action by friendly fire. In accordance with 10 USC 1129 for award of the Purple<br/> Heart, the Secretary of the Army will treat a member of the Armed Forces described in (a), below, in the same manner<br/> as a member who is killed or wounded in action as the result of an act of an enemy of the United States.<br/> (a) A member described in this subsection is a member who is killed or wounded in action by weapon fire while<br/> directly engaged in armed conflict, other than as the result of an act of an enemy of the United States, unless (in the<br/> case of a wound) the wound is the result of willful misconduct of the member.<br/> <b> This section applies to members of the Armed Forces who are killed or wounded on or after 7 December 1941.<br/> In the case of a member killed or wounded, as described in paragraph 2–8b above, on or after 7 December 1941 and<br/> before 30 November 1993, the Secretary of the Army will award the Purple Heart under provisions of paragraph 2–8a<br/> above in each case which is known to the Secretary before such date or for which an application is made to the<br/> Secretary in such manner as the Secretary requires.<br/> c. While clearly an individual decoration, the Purple Heart differs from all other decorations in that an individual is<br/> not "recommended" for the decoration; rather he or she is entitled to it upon meeting specific criteria.<br/> d. A Purple Heart is authorized for the first wound suffered under conditions indicated above, but for each<br/> subsequent award an Oak Leaf Cluster will be awarded to be worn on the medal or ribbon. Not more than one award<br/> will be made for more than one wound or injury received at the same instant or from the same missile, force,<br/> explosion, or agent.<br/> e. A wound is defined as an injury to any part of the body from an outside force or agent sustained under one or<br/> more of the conditions listed above. A physical lesion is not required, however, the wound for which the award is made<br/> must have required treatment by medical personnel and records of medical treatment for wounds or injuries received in<br/> action must have been made a matter of official record.<br/> f. When contemplating an award of this decoration, the key issue that commanders must take into consideration is<br/> the degree to which the enemy caused the injury. The fact that the proposed recipient was participating in direct or<br/> indirect combat operations is a necessary prerequisite, but is not sole justification for award.<br/> g. Examples of enemy-related injuries which clearly justify award of the Purple Heart are as follows:<br/> (1) Injury caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel, or other projectile created by enemy action.<br/> (2) Injury caused by enemy placed mine or trap.<br/> (3) Injury caused by enemy released chemical, biological, or nuclear agent.<br/> (4) Injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from enemy fire.<br/> (5) Concussion injuries caused as a result of enemy generated explosions.<br/> <b>h. Examples of injuries or wounds which clearly do not justify award of the Purple Heart are as follows:<br/> (1) Frostbite or trench foot injuries.<br/> (2) Heat stroke.<br/> (3) Food poisoning not caused by enemy agents.<br/> (4) Chemical, biological, or nuclear agents not released by the enemy.<br/> (5) Battle fatigue.<br/> (6) Disease not directly caused by enemy agents.<br/> (7) Accidents, to include explosive, aircraft, vehicular, and other accidental wounding not related to or caused by<br/> enemy action.<br/> (8) Self-inflicted wounds, except when in the heat of battle and not involving gross negligence.<br/> (9) Post traumatic stress disorders.<br/> (10) Jump injuries not caused by enemy action.</b>20 AR 600–8–22 • 11 December 2006i. It is not intended that such a strict interpretation of the requirement for the wound or injury to be caused by direct<br/> result of hostile action be taken that it would preclude the award being made to deserving personnel. Commanders<br/> must also take into consideration the circumstances surrounding an injury, even if it appears to meet the criteria. Note<br/> the following examples:<br/> (1) In a case such as an individual injured while making a parachute landing from an aircraft that had been brought<br/> down by enemy fire; or, an individual injured as a result of a vehicle accident caused by enemy fire, the decision will<br/> be made in favor of the individual and the award will be made.<br/> (2) Individuals injured as a result of their own negligence; for example, driving or walking through an unauthorized<br/> area known to have been mined or placed off limits or searching for or picking up unexploded munitions as war<br/> souvenirs, will not be awarded the Purple Heart as they clearly were not injured as a result of enemy action, but rather<br/> by their own negligence.<br/> j. During wartime the senior Army commander in the combat theater can award the Purple Heart as approval<br/> authority when delegated by the Secretary of the Army. The National Personnel Records Center, 9700 Page Avenue,<br/> St. Louis, MO 63132–5100, awards the Purple Heart to any member of the Army, who during World War I, was<br/> awarded a Meritorious Service Citation Certificate signed by the Commander in Chief, American Expeditionary Forces,<br/> or who was authorized to wear wound chevrons, upon written application. Approval authority for the Purple Heart for<br/> Army personnel wounded or killed as the result of an international terrorist attack is the Secretary of the Army. All<br/> other requests for award of the Purple Heart are processed by the Commander, USAHRC (AHRC–PDO–PA). The<br/> f o l l o w i n g t y p e s o f r e q u e s t s f o r a w a r d o f t h e P u r p l e H e a r t w i l l b e f o r w a r d e d t o t h e C o m m a n d e r , U S A H R C ,<br/> AHRC–PDO–PA, 200 Stovall Street, Alexandria, VA 22332–0471:<br/> (1) Any member of the Army who was awarded the Purple Heart for meritorious achievement or service, as opposed<br/> to wounds received in action, between 7 December 1941 and 22 September 1943, may apply for award of an<br/> appropriate decoration instead of the Purple Heart.<br/> (2) For those who became Prisoners of War during World War II, the Korean War and before and after 25 April<br/> 1962, the Purple Heart will be awarded to individuals wounded while prisoners of foreign forces, upon submission by<br/> the individual to the Department of the U.S. Army of an affidavit that is supported by a statement from a witness, if<br/> this is possible.<br/> (3) Any member of the U.S. Army who believes that he or she is eligible for the Purple Heart, but through unusual<br/> c i r c u m s t a n c e s n o a w a r d w a s m a d e , m a y s u b m i t a n a p p l i c a t i o n t h r o u g h m i l i t a r y c h a n n e l s , t o t h e C o m m a n d e r ,<br/> USAHRC, AHRC–PDO–PA. The application will include complete documentation, to include evidence of medical<br/> treatment, pertaining to the wound.<br/> k. The following rules apply for processing award of the Purple Heart:<br/> (1) The statutory time limits pertaining to award of military decorations does not apply to the Purple Heart. The<br/> Purple Heart may be awarded at anytime after submission of documented proof that criteria have been met.<br/> (2) Approved awards of the Purple Heart require the publication of permanent orders according to AR 600–8–105,<br/> citing each recipient. A DA Form 4980–10 (The Purple Heart Medal Certificate) will include the following information:<br/> The recipient’s name and grade, date wounded in action, and date certificate is signed. All Purple Heart Medal<br/> certificates will bear the signature and signature block of the Secretary of the Army on the right side. During wartime,<br/> the signature and signature block of the commander authorized to award the Purple Heart will be on the left side. All<br/> other Purple Hearts awarded will bear the signature and signature block of The Adjutant General of the Army.<br/> (3) Each approved award of the Purple Heart must exhibit all of the following factors: wound, injury or death must<br/> have been the result of enemy or hostile act; international terrorist attack; or friendly fire (as defined in paragraph b(8)<br/> above) the wound or injury must have required treatment by medical officials; and the records of medical treatment<br/> must have been made a matter of official Army records.<br/> (4) Recommendations for award of the Purple Heart based on alleged international terrorist attacks must be<br/> accompanied by a written evaluation from the MACOM security and intelligence staff officer indicating that international<br/> terrorist activity was involved. Should any enclosures be classified the prescribed security measures will be<br/> followed. This requirement is in addition to the other eligibility criteria. HQ, USAHRC (AHRC–PDO–PA) will<br/> confirm the international terrorist report with the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff, G–2 (ODCS, G-2) prior to<br/> forwarding the Purple Heart recommendations to the Secretary of the Army for final decision.<br/> l. The Defense of Freedom Medal, established on 4 October 2001, is the civilian equivalent to the Purple Heart<br/> awarded to U.S. military personnel. Refer to AR 672–20 </blockquote> <br/><br/>Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.<br/> 
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| '''Copper_Country''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/NoAvatar.gif' /></div><br/>11/7/2012 8:02:49 AM 
| One more follow up from 1st Lt Viehman military records...<br/> his Airman's Military Service Report it has the following.."(April 18 - May 7 POW)(May 45 to Dec 45 Hospitalized)(Dec 45 to August 21, 1946 - Casual) (Aug 22, 1946 - Sept 5, 1946 - ORC)(Sept 6, 1946-June 1948 Clerk) <br/> So my questions are the following...What is Casual?  And I am guessing that ORC is Officer Reserve Corps? And would the time in the ORC be consider a gap in continuous service? <br/><br/><br/> 
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| '''donaldbyers''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/donaldbyers.jpg' /></div><br/>11/7/2012 11:35:15 AM 
| Casual-meaning that he doesn't really have a position to hold or he could be awaiting assignment he could also be recovering after being in a hospital.  I don't think that is considered a gap in service but I can't speak to that with 100% accuracy.<br/> <br/> Don <br/><br/>Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.<br/> 
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