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{s:TopicNav|Destination: 401st.|ForumNew.T1369|ForumNew.T0553|ForumNew.T0539|ForumNew.F01|ForumNew.T0533|ForumNew.T0514|ForumNew.T0005} {| class='ForumTopics' ! Posted !! Message |- | '''EDanaII''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/EDanaII.jpg' /></div><br/>11/29/2009 3:23:59 PM | As some of you know, I am presently busy working with Rick Kaufman on the 401st Web Site. I am currently preparing to finish up the initial phase of this project...<br/> <br/> As some of you may also know, I recently created a book for my father. It was a book of our recent journey to Belgium and the wonderful reception we got from them.<br/> <br/> Now I'm scheming up a new project. This project has been discussed before, but as I'm cleaning up the current project with Rick, I'm turning my attention to this newest project: a Travel Guide for the 401st. I'm thinking this book can include historical facts about the Group, as well as, descriptions of things to do and see when exploring 401st History. Obviously, it should include things like Deenethorpe, Benefield, Weldon and so on... I expect it to have discussions of the Memorial, the Wheatshief, the Church at Weldon, etc... I may even broaden it to include things in the surrounding countryside, such as Deene Hall, Rockingham and Duxford. I may also broaden it outside of the country to places such as Grimbergen where my father's plane crashed, and to the grave sites that Andy Swinnen tends.<br/> <br/> The service I used to create my father's book allows me to raise the price of the book so that I could, if I wished, make a profit off of that book. I'm thinking of doing exactly that for the 401st book, but all profits would go to the Association to help preserve the memories of those who fought and died. It is intended to be a guide book for those who wish to explore the history that their fathers and grand-fathers lived.<br/> <br/> So, I'm putting this forth for suggestions. Should I get to this project, what kinds of things concerning the 401st that people would want to know about and go and see do you think should be included in such a tome? I'd like to hear any and all suggestions as I start to put together some kind of outline.<br/> <br/> Ed. <br/><br/><a href='/p2769.ashx'><img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/wmSig401st150p.gif' /></a><br/> <br/> |- | '''donaldbyers''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/donaldbyers.jpg' /></div><br/>11/29/2009 8:30:31 PM | Savannah GA of course the musuem and the new B-17 which will be in the future if it gets a 401st BG marking. The 401st BG Crew Data on the internet.<br/> <br/> Not sure what else.<br/> <br/> Don <br/><br/>Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.<br/> |- | '''win-win''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/NoAvatar.gif' /></div><br/>11/30/2009 5:58:30 PM | Ed:<br/> What a great idea - count me in for whatever I can contribute. The ABMC Cambrideshire (Madingley) and St.Paul's, London's 'Roll of Honour' are others to consider.<br/> <br/> Do you envision including (somehow) a map of the Base with former/present buildings' IDs (like the RAF maps), or even further, include 'then and now' building' photos (like Paul Bellamy has identified and posted)? Those may be whole projects in themselves (that your project could cover now 'generally', and leave future 'chapters' to cover in detail, maybe). <br/> <br/> Againm great plan!<br/> <br/> Win Bryson <br/><br/><br/> |- | '''EDanaII''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/EDanaII.jpg' /></div><br/>12/1/2009 5:10:11 PM | Thanks, Win. 🙂<br/> <br/> I am considering Madingley, however, I hadn't thought of St. Paul or London's Roll of Honour. To be honest, I'm not familiar with those two. Could you fill me in on the details?<br/> <br/> <blockquote>Do you envision including (somehow) a map of the Base with former/present buildings' IDs (like the RAF maps), or even further, include 'then and now' building' photos (like Paul Bellamy has identified and posted)?</blockquote><br/> <br/> I am now. 🙂 <br/> <br/> As to including it, I guess it would depend on ho much effort would be required and how much value it might bring to those interested in the book. I suppose I can even hit up Paul for that info, but since he hasn't responded to this thread yet, I don't know how willing he'd be to lend that information. <br/> <br/> <br/> @ Donald<br/> <br/> Actually, I hadn't thought about Savannah, but if I'm broadening the subject to more than just England, then I guess I should. 🙂 Not sure where that 401st plane is located, but, definitely, it too should be on the list.<br/> <br/> The current list looks like this: <br/> <ul><li> Deenethorpe</li><br/> <li> Duxford</li><br/> <li> Cambridge</li><br/> <li> Weldon</li><br/> <li> Nottingham</li><br/> <li> Savanah</li><br/> <li> (The location of the new 401st plane.)</li><br/> <li> (Andy Swinnen's gravesites & others...)</li></ul><br/> <br/> Sketchy on details there, of course, but that will expand with time.<br/> <br/> Ed. <br/><br/><a href='/p2769.ashx'><img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/wmSig401st150p.gif' /></a><br/> <br/> |- | '''Paul Bellamy''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/Paul Bellamy.jpg' /></div><br/>12/1/2009 6:52:37 PM | <blockquote><span class='author'>"EDanaII":</span><br/>Not sure where that 401st plane is located, but, definitely, it too should be on the list.</blockquote><br/> <br/> "Champaign Lady" is being rebuilt at Grimes Field, Urbana, Ohio. (Not far from Kettering..... 😉 )<br/> <br/> There's a recent (November 09) progress report on WiX [T33341|HERE].<br/> <br/> All the best,<br/> Paul <br/><br/>Paul Bellamy<br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/resource1.png' /><br/> |- | '''EDanaII''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/EDanaII.jpg' /></div><br/>12/3/2009 10:01:51 PM | Thanks, Paul.<br/> <br/> But... Champaign Lady? That ain't the right name for it. It should be called the... oh, never mind! 😃<br/> <br/> OK, here's an updated list, with more meant to come as I get details:<br/> * England<br/> ____* Benefield<br/> ________* The Airbase<br/> ________* The Memorial<br/> ________* The Wheatshief<br/> ____* Deenethorpe<br/> ________* Rosie's Sweatbox Memorial<br/> ________* Deene Hall<br/> ____* Rockingham <br/> ________* Castle<br/> ____* Duxford<br/> ________* Imperial War Museum<br/> ____* Madingley <br/> ________* American Cemetary<br/> ____* Weldon<br/> ________* Church<br/> ____* Nottingham<br/> ________* Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem<br/> ____* London <br/> ________* Imperial War Museum<br/> * Netherlands<br/> ____* Margraten<br/> * Belgium<br/> ____* Henri Chapelle<br/> * United States<br/> ____* Savanah, Georgia<br/> ________* Eighth Air Force Museum<br/> ____* Urbana, Ohion<br/> ________* Grimes Field <br/><br/><a href='/p2769.ashx'><img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/wmSig401st150p.gif' /></a><br/> <br/> |- | '''donaldbyers''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/donaldbyers.jpg' /></div><br/>12/3/2009 10:18:54 PM | I like it!!!!<br/> <br/> Don <br/><br/>Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.<br/> |- | '''Paul Bellamy''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/Paul Bellamy.jpg' /></div><br/>12/4/2009 6:27:00 PM | <blockquote><span class='author'>"EDanaII":</span><br/><br/> <blockquote>Do you envision including (somehow) a map of the Base with former/present buildings' IDs (like the RAF maps), or even further, include 'then and now' building' photos (like Paul Bellamy has identified and posted)?</blockquote><br/> <br/> I am now. 🙂 <br/> <br/> As to including it, I guess it would depend on how much effort would be required and how much value it might bring to those interested in the book. I suppose I can even hit up Paul for that info, but since he hasn't responded to this thread yet, I don't know how willing he'd be to lend that information. <br/> </blockquote><br/> <br/> Apologies Ed,<br/> <br/> I missed this bit the first time around.<br/> <br/> I've been asked to do a big Deenethorpe "Then and Now" article for a UK magazine, and I've pencilled this in for the new year when the weather is suitable.<br/> I'll be keeping control of the results, so I'm more than happy to send a set in your direction.<br/> <br/> All the best,<br/> Paul <br/><br/>Paul Bellamy<br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/resource1.png' /><br/> |- | '''EDanaII''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/EDanaII.jpg' /></div><br/>3/13/2010 12:13:27 PM | Just updating this topic.<br/> <br/> Been pretty busy, so only worked on this a little more. I'm posting what I have so far so that anyone who wants to may make suggestions and comments.<br/> <br/> Possible template for each item on the list:<br/> ABOUT<br/> <br/> A description of the place. What is it. What does it do. Why does it do it. <br/> <br/> HISTORY<br/> <br/> The history of the location. When did it come into existance. Why did it come into existance. Does it still do what it does. <br/> <br/> RELATION TO THE 401st<br/> <br/> Why this location is important to the 401st. How did the place interact with the 401st during the war. <br/> <br/> HOW TO FIND<br/> <br/> Best directions to the location, including alternate directions such as the most likely place to be coming from, a closer place and the closest place.<br/> <br/> <br/> The list of subjects:<br/> * England<br/> ....* Benefield<br/> ........* The Airbase<br/> ........* The Memorial<br/> ........* The Wheatshief<br/> ....* Deenethorpe<br/> ........* Rosie's Sweatbox Memorial<br/> ........* Deene Hall<br/> ....* Rockingham <br/> ........* Castle <br/> ....* Duxford<br/> ........* Imperial War Museum <br/> ....* Madingley <br/> ........* American Cemetary <br/> ....* Weldon <br/> ........* Church <br/> ....* Nottingham <br/> ........* Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem<br/> ....* London<br/> ........* Imperial War Museum<br/> * Netherlands<br/> ....* Margraten<br/> * Belgium<br/> ....* Henri Chapelle<br/> * United States<br/> ....* Savanah, Georgia<br/> ........* Eighth Air Force Museum<br/> ....* Urbana, Ohion<br/> ........* Grimes Field<br/> <br/> Ed. <br/><br/><a href='/p2769.ashx'><img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/wmSig401st150p.gif' /></a><br/> <br/> |- | '''MaryAlice''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/NoAvatar.gif' /></div><br/>3/13/2010 2:26:19 PM | Well Ed, I joined AFTER you had posted this, and have missed it up to this point, and now that I have read this thread..WOW!!<br/> <br/> Now, i can offer suggesstions, and while they may seem "too far fetched" or "not possible" I would like to offer them anyways.<br/> <br/> Now, I have not laid eye's on the "blue book", but it seems to be one heck of a source for info, and maybe it has teh following, I don't know, but here goes:<br/> <br/> Do you know teh link you provided earlier for me, which gave me info/descriptions of EACH AND EVERY FLIGHT of teh 401st? It sure would be nice to have that in "book form" as well.<br/> <br/> I also think a book with a map of airbases (example, Deenethorpe) like aerial shots with dispersals/locations, where the guys ate/slept, etc..In other words, would be nice to have in book form, explaing when the guys woke up (showing picture of bunks/building, how far they had to walk to mess hall (more pics) then briefing room (again pics), then gets thier "guns" or barrels (pics), and thier equipment like jackets, heated gloves/boots, etc.. (pics)then walk to thier dispersal (more pics), then loading up in teh plane getting into their positions (pics) then how teh Fortress taxi down runway (more pics) <br/> <br/> Anyways, I think you get teh idea, an dlike I mentioned above, maybe impossible to do I don't know, just thought I would offer a suggestions<br/> because even though you guys, Paul Don, and yourself and others, have done a GREAT job of providing info to me and answering all my questions I have ever had, it WOULD be nice to sit down and read a "book" about it. I guess you could say, what the guys did on the morningsthey flew, with as many pics as possible. Now, maybe thier is a book like this already,i don't know.<br/> <br/> Also, not sure HOW much info you plan on putting about teh B-17's in it, but the more the better. It would be pretty cool to see, prodcution #'s, difference in each model, year made, dimensions, weight, gun barrels info, how many bullets per minute they could fire, how many rounds of ammo per typical mission did they use, also explain what the numbers meant, and how you could identify a 401st/615th bomber from another BG, why they used this color on this plane, etc...<br/> <br/> <br/> Again, I know what I asked maybe (and probaly is) too much info to ask for, but wanted to throw out there something that I know tht I would like to "read" about, or have in "book form".<br/> <br/> Thanks for listening.<br/> <br/> <br/> Oh, and if this info is already out there in book form (as it maybe), forgive the rookie, Haha! <br/><br/><span style='color: #0000FF'>Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"</span><br/> |- | '''EDanaII''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/EDanaII.jpg' /></div><br/>3/13/2010 3:54:20 PM | Well, I won't discourage from offering them Derrick, feedback is always welcome, but any feedback anyone offers will be limited by the scope of the book. 🙂 Since it's intended to be a "travel guide" for 401st families, the scope is limited to that. So, that probably means I probably won't list missions, although I'll likely refer to our web site for that kind of information. <br/> <br/> I have been considering, for example, crash sites, as I'm sure some might want to visit them, but this may be too broad and the amount of people who might actually make use of that information may be too small to make the effort worth it. But, if I do, then mission information is certainly relevant there. <br/> <br/> A map of the airbase is certainly possible, both then and now, for purposes of locating relevant things, such as, for example, the Rosie's Sweatbox memorial.<br/> <br/> As to things like production numbers and differences between planes... that's for Paul's book, when (if) he ever produces one. 😉<br/> <br/> Ed. <br/><br/><a href='/p2769.ashx'><img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/wmSig401st150p.gif' /></a><br/> <br/> |- | '''win-win''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/NoAvatar.gif' /></div><br/>3/13/2010 7:12:31 PM | Great idea and list. Here's one for London: <br/> <br/> ABOUT: Historic St. Paul's Cathedral, London, includes the American Memorial Chapel, created after WWII in the East end area of the Cathedral, beyond the Choir, damaged during the Blitz. <br/> <br/> HISTORY: There have been several St.Paul's churches on this site beginning 604 A.D., but the present grand Cathedral designed by Sir Christopher Wren was completed about 1710 A.D., and survived the fires of the 'Blitz' (which its neighborhood did not) through heroic efforts of Firemen. July 4, 1951, the American Memorial Chapel was dedicated by Queen Elizabeth, at which Dwight D. Eisenhower presented to the Cathedral the 'Roll of Honour' - that contains 28,000+ names, in alphabetical order, of American Servicemen casualties, stationed in England during WWII. The 'Roll of Honour' remains displayed under glass in the American Memorial Chapel, and each day a clergy, with gloved hand, turns one page. The American Memorial Chapel, at the East (Apse) end of the Cathedral, also includes stained-glass window panels depicting each of the (then) 48-states. <br/> <br/> RELATION TO THE 401st - The 'Roll of Honour' includes the names of 401st BG Casualties. Because the 'Roll of Honour' pages are fragile, a 2nd-copy is available to view by visitor pre-arrangement with Verger guides. (The (searchable) 'Roll of Honour' is also viewable on the Cathedral's Website [http://www.stpauls.co.uk|www.stpauls.co.uk] > History > Chapels > American Memorial Chapel (and available on CD)). <br/> <br/> HOW TO FIND - St. Paul's (dome) is visible from almost everywhere in London, and easily reachable via St. Paul's Underground Station. 'Big Bus' double-decker tour routes get there, too. The Cathedral is located in the eastern part of London, near (and a short walk from) the Tower of London and Tower Bridge, and also (a short walk from) across the Thames River on the new 'Millennium' (pedestrian) Bridge from the Tate Gallery and New (Shakespeare) Globe Theatre.<br/> <br/> 'Grab a pint at the 'Bag of Nails' after?<br/> Win <br/><br/><br/> |- | '''EDanaII''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/EDanaII.jpg' /></div><br/>3/14/2010 12:06:40 AM | Dayum, Win. 🙂 Looks like I just need to let you do this job. 😉<br/> <br/> Ed. <br/><br/><a href='/p2769.ashx'><img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/wmSig401st150p.gif' /></a><br/> <br/> |- | '''MaryAlice''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/NoAvatar.gif' /></div><br/>3/14/2010 9:24:40 AM | <blockquote><span class='author'>"EDanaII":</span><br/>Well, I won't discourage from offering them Derrick, feedback is always welcome, but any feedback anyone offers will be limited by the scope of the book. 🙂 Since it's intended to be a "travel guide" for 401st families, the scope is limited to that. So, that probably means I probably won't list missions, although I'll likely refer to our web site for that kind of information. <br/> <br/> I have been considering, for example, crash sites, as I'm sure some might want to visit them, but this may be too broad and the amount of people who might actually make use of that information may be too small to make the effort worth it. But, if I do, then mission information is certainly relevant there. <br/> <br/> A map of the airbase is certainly possible, both then and now, for purposes of locating relevant things, such as, for example, the Rosie's Sweatbox memorial.<br/> <br/> As to things like production numbers and differences between planes... that's for Paul's book, when (if) he ever produces one. 😉<br/> <br/> Ed.</blockquote><br/> <br/> <br/> Hey, cool..fair enough. I am very interested to pick up a copy of yours when you are done, sounds like a great read, and since it looks like it will be "401st" favored, I am sure that I stand ALOT to gain in knowledge/info from it. Can't wait!<br/> As far as Pauls' book goes..... knowing teh detail that he puts into things @ teh site here, can only begin to imagine what a great read that would/could be 😎 <br/><br/><span style='color: #0000FF'>Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"</span><br/> |- | '''MaryAlice''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/NoAvatar.gif' /></div><br/>3/14/2010 9:33:31 AM | <blockquote><span class='author'>"win-win":</span><br/>Great idea and list. Here's one for London: <br/> <br/> ABOUT: Historic St. Paul's Cathedral, London, includes the American Memorial Chapel, created after WWII in the East end area of the Cathedral, beyond the Choir, damaged during the Blitz. <br/> <br/> HISTORY: There have been several St.Paul's churches on this site beginning 604 A.D., but the present grand Cathedral designed by Sir Christopher Wren was completed about 1710 A.D., and survived the fires of the 'Blitz' (which its neighborhood did not) through heroic efforts of Firemen. July 4, 1951, the American Memorial Chapel was dedicated by Queen Elizabeth, at which Dwight D. Eisenhower presented to the Cathedral the 'Roll of Honour' - that contains 28,000+ names, in alphabetical order, of American Servicemen casualties, stationed in England during WWII. The 'Roll of Honour' remains displayed under glass in the American Memorial Chapel, and each day a clergy, with gloved hand, turns one page. The American Memorial Chapel, at the East (Apse) end of the Cathedral, also includes stained-glass window panels depicting each of the (then) 48-states. <br/> <br/> RELATION TO THE 401st - The 'Roll of Honour' includes the names of 401st BG Casualties. Because the 'Roll of Honour' pages are fragile, a 2nd-copy is available to view by visitor pre-arrangement with Verger guides. (The (searchable) 'Roll of Honour' is also viewable on the Cathedral's Website [http://www.stpauls.co.uk] > History > Chapels > American Memorial Chapel (and available on CD)). <br/> <br/> HOW TO FIND - St. Paul's (dome) is visible from almost everywhere in London, and easily reachable via St. Paul's Underground Station. 'Big Bus' double-decker tour routes get there, too. The Cathedral is located in the eastern part of London, near (and a short walk from) the Tower of London and Tower Bridge, and also (a short walk from) across the Thames River on the new 'Millennium' (pedestrian) Bridge from the Tate Gallery and New (Shakespeare) Globe Theatre.<br/> <br/> 'Grab a pint at the 'Bag of Nails' after?<br/> Win</blockquote><br/> <br/> <br/> I am so glad that this site is here...very cool info/history I just learned, and had no idea about. And now that you bring that up, makes me think of the pages I am currently reading in Masters of the Air..I am towards then end, when the 8th was surveying Germany AFTER the bombing, and witnessing the destruction of it all.<br/> Anyways, made me think that it would be informative to be able to see before, during, and after shots, along with present day to see how things were and are. Again, maybe impossible or maybe ifo is out there already.<br/> Guess I am thinking out loud on things that I would like to read/see about.... <br/><br/><span style='color: #0000FF'>Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"</span><br/> |- | '''swinny''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/swinny.jpg' /></div><br/>3/19/2010 12:12:04 PM | great idea ed , if I can help in anyway , please let me know <br/><br/>_________________________________<br/> <br/> <img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/swinny/margraten012.jpg' /> My adoption graves [http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm|http://www.remember-our-heroes.nl/us_401stBG.htm]<br/> |- | '''EDanaII''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/EDanaII.jpg' /></div><br/>3/20/2010 7:55:41 AM | Actually, Andy, you can. 🙂 I'm gonna need information on the two cemeteries you visit and on any of the others you know about too. <br/> <br/> Ultimately, it might be nice to have a list of fallen 401st members and where they are interned, but I'm thinking out loud now...<br/> <br/> Ed. <br/><br/><a href='/p2769.ashx'><img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/wmSig401st150p.gif' /></a><br/> <br/> |- | '''MaryAlice''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/NoAvatar.gif' /></div><br/>3/21/2010 7:35:29 AM | <blockquote><span class='author'>"EDanaII":</span><br/>Actually, Andy, you can. 🙂 I'm gonna need information on the two cemeteries you visit and on any of the others you know about too. <br/> <br/> Ultimately, it might be nice to have a list of fallen 401st members and where they are interned, but I'm thinking out loud now...<br/> <br/> Ed.</blockquote><br/> <br/> <br/> Are you wanting those lost in combat only (assuming so) or natural causes as well? <br/><br/><span style='color: #0000FF'>Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"</span><br/> |- | '''donaldbyers''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/donaldbyers.jpg' /></div><br/>3/21/2010 11:22:15 AM | I have the list of those interned overseas by squadron on my Website.....<br/> <br/> [http://www.donald-byers.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&id=22&Itemid=102]<br/> <br/> Don <br/><br/>Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.<br/> |- | '''EDanaII''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/EDanaII.jpg' /></div><br/>3/23/2010 3:40:51 PM | Excellent, Don. I will look to you as a resource.<br/> <br/> Ed. <br/><br/><a href='/p2769.ashx'><img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/wmSig401st150p.gif' /></a><br/> <br/> |- | '''MaryAlice''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/NoAvatar.gif' /></div><br/>3/29/2010 7:50:49 AM | So EDana...how we coming buddy with the project? Any updates for us? <br/><br/><span style='color: #0000FF'>Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"</span><br/> |- | '''EDanaII''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/EDanaII.jpg' /></div><br/>3/29/2010 5:47:18 PM | Nope. No updates, movement is very slow as I have many other things I have to worry about at the moment. Win Bryson (Win-win) has actually been very helpful there, fetching information for me on several subjects.<br/> <br/> Ed. <br/><br/><a href='/p2769.ashx'><img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/wmSig401st150p.gif' /></a><br/> <br/> |- | '''MaryAlice''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/NoAvatar.gif' /></div><br/>3/30/2010 7:29:19 AM | <blockquote><span class='author'>"EDanaII":</span><br/>Nope. No updates, movement is very slow as I have many other things I have to worry about at the moment. Win Bryson (Win-win) has actually been very helpful there, fetching information for me on several subjects.<br/> <br/> Ed.</blockquote><br/> <br/> <br/> Fair enough, and of course, no worries over here, as i understand about the "many other projects"....it seems that I have a couple/few minutes each morning to "play" on teh computer, and that's it anymore....kids, work, wife, model, race car, guns, yard work, honey-do's, etc...(and of course, not neccesarily in that order either, HAHAHA!!)<br/> <br/> Well, good luck on it, and look foward to updates as you have them! <br/><br/><span style='color: #0000FF'>Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"</span><br/> |- | '''EDanaII''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/EDanaII.jpg' /></div><br/>5/13/2010 8:58:44 PM | OK, as summer approaches, as I plan to take dad up to his summer home in Heber, I think I'm going to start to work on this a little more. As such, I'm now going to ask for suggestions on where to begin researching these subjects. Win has kindly sent me some information on St. Paul's and the Roles of Honor, I'll definitely take advantage of that, but does anyone have any other suggestions on where I may start researching these subjects? <br/> <br/> Once again, here is the current list:<br/> <ol><br/> <li> England<br/> <ol><br/> <li> Benefield<br/> <ol><br/> <li> The Airbase<br/> </li><li> The Memorial<br/> </li><li> The Wheatshief<br/> </li></ol><br/> </li><li> Deenethorpe<br/> <ol><br/> <li> Rosie's Sweatbox Memorial<br/> </li><li> Deene Hall<br/> </li></ol><br/> </li><li> Rockingham<br/> <ol><br/> <li> Castle<br/> </li></ol><br/> </li><li> Duxford<br/> <ol><br/> <li> Imperial War Museum<br/> </li></ol><br/> </li><li> Madingley<br/> <ol><br/> <li> American Cemetary<br/> </li></ol><br/> </li><li> Weldon<br/> <ol><br/> <li> Church<br/> </li></ol><br/> </li><li> Nottingham<br/> <ol><br/> <li> Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem<br/> </li></ol><br/> </li><li> London<br/> <ol><br/> <li> Imperial War Museum<br/> </li></ol></li><br/> <li> Netherlands<br/> <ol><br/> <li> Margraten<br/> </li></ol></li><br/> <li> Belgium<br/> <ol><br/> <li> Henri Chapelle<br/> </li></ol></li><br/> <li> United States<br/> <ol><br/> <li> Savanah, Georgia<br/> <ol><br/> <li> Eighth Air Force Museum<br/> </li></ol><br/> </li><li> Urbana, Ohion<br/> <ol><br/> <li> Grimes Field<br/> </li></ol><br/> </li></ol></li></ol></li></ol><br/> <br/> As always, all thoughts welcome.<br/> <br/> Ed.<br/> <br/> Grrr... apologies for the formatting, it just ain't working right for some reason. <br/><br/><a href='/p2769.ashx'><img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/wmSig401st150p.gif' /></a><br/> <br/> |- | '''EDanaII''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/EDanaII.jpg' /></div><br/>6/5/2010 8:30:23 AM | OK, while I was in Heber last weekend, I worked further on my outline for the book. At this point, I consider it not complete, but nearly so. <br/> <br/> While I listed many American Cemeteries, I did not list them all, only the one's most likely to contain members of the 401st. I also used the the sites history to identify places "visited" by the 401st as they moved from the U.S. to England, but may not necessarily have strict relevance to the Group. Many of these are noted by a ? next to their name. <br/> <br/> * <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Destination: 401st<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -<> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> About this Book.<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -() <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Purpose<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -() <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Format<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -<> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> The 401st<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -() <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> About the Bomb Group<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Purpose<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> History<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -() <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> About the Association<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Purpose<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> History<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -<> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Destinations<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -() <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Linz, Austria<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -() <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Belgium<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Ardennes American Cemetery and Memorial <br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Henri-Chapelle American Cemetery and Memorial<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -() <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Goose Bay, Canada<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -() <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> England<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Benefield<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -<> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> The Airbase<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -<> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> The Memorial<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -<> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> The Wheatsheaf<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Cambridge American Cemetery and Memorial, Madingly<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Deenethorpe<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -<> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Rosie's Sweatbox Memorial<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -<> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Deene Hall<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Imperial War Museum, Duxford<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Land’s End<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> London<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -<> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Imperial War Museum<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -<> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Role of Honour, St. Paul’s Cathederal<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -<> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Royal Air Force Museum, Hendon<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Northampton<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Rockingham Castle, Rockingham<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Weldon Church, Weldon<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem, Nottingham<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -() <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> France<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Brittany American Cemetery and Memorial <br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Epinal American Cemetery and Memorial<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Lorraine American Cemetery and Memorial<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Pointe du Hoc American Monument<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Rhone American Cemetery and Memorial<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Utah Beach American Monument<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -() <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Luxembourg American Cemetery and Memorial, Luxembourg <br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -() <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Meeks Field, Iceland<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -() <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Netherlands American Cemetery and Memorial, Margraten<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -() <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Scotland<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Firth of Clyde ?<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Port Glasgow ?<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Gurrock ?<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -() <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> United States<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Eighth Air Force Museum, Georgia<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Scott Field, Illinois ?<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Bradley Field, Massachusetts<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Malmstrom AFB, Montana<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Camp Shanks, New York<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Souix Falls, South Dakota<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -{} <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Grimes Field, Urbana<br/> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> -() <nowiki>--</nowiki> <nowiki>--</nowiki> Valley, Wales ?<br/> <br/> I'd like to reduce the list of Cemeteries to only those that are known to have members of the 401st interned there, but am not sure how to accomplish this. This also might be too much work given the other things I have to worry about. If anyone has suggestions there (or anywhere else) I'd love to hear them. <br/> <br/> Ed. <br/><br/><a href='/p2769.ashx'><img class='ForumMaxImgWidth' src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/wmSig401st150p.gif' /></a><br/> <br/> |- | '''donaldbyers''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/donaldbyers.jpg' /></div><br/>6/5/2010 12:46:44 PM | Looks Great Ed. I think I can help you on the list of Cemeteries. Think I still have my excel file..... yep I found it and sent it. Also included the Article that Dale sent me on Rosie's Sweatbox. <br/> <br/> Don <br/><br/>Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.<br/> |- | '''JamesLy''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/NoAvatar.gif' /></div><br/>3/25/2011 3:44:56 PM | I visited 3 of the training bases in Montana last August 2010, Cut Bank, Great Falls and Lewistown. Great Falls is still an active Air Base and they have a museum and the muesum director Curt Shannon downloaded some old training base photos on a CD for me. In Cut Bank I talked to Roy Nollkamper (Airport Manager) and Bob Jacoby. Bob runs the little museum at Cut Bank. They even have a Norden Bombsight the you can look thru at the museum. In Lewistown I saw Jerry Moline (Aiport Manager). Jerry had 3 binders of the training bases history that LeRoy Musick had put together. LeRoy was out of town and I didn't get to meet him. I had talked to LeRoy a few time and that is why he left the binders with Jerry so I could look at them. There was alot of information on all the Bomb Groups that trained in Montana. I got great tours of both Cut Bank and Lewistown. Both have a lot of the original buildings and they both have the original hanger. And they are tring to raise money to preserve the 2 Air Bases. Lewistown has a lot of the buildings on the nation historic register. My last stop was Jordan, MT on August 14, 2010 for a Memorial dedication for my uncle 2 Lt James W Lynch and his crew that crashed on a training mission on August 24, 1943 about 40 miles from Jordan. A granite memorial stone with the crews names was place at the VFW in Jordan. I took a lot of pictures.<br/> <br/> James Lynch Soderberg <br/><br/><br/> |- | '''donaldbyers''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/donaldbyers.jpg' /></div><br/>3/25/2011 4:23:33 PM | Would be great if you could send me a copy of the CD of photos of the airbase at that time.<br/> <br/> Don<br/> Group Historian <br/><br/>Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.<br/> |- | '''donaldbyers''' <br/><br/><div class='poster-info'><img src='/public/Attachments/ForumNew.MainPage/donaldbyers.jpg' /></div><br/>1/28/2013 11:13:07 AM | Ed, if you check my website at [http://www.donald-byers.com] you will find 401st Bomb Group Interned overseas. This give all the info you need on which cemetery's which have 401st Bomb Group people buried in.<br/> <br/> Don <br/><br/>Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.<br/> |}
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